Primary post Shame is a large part of O'briens war experience. Use is ashamed of killing men who he feels didn't do anything wrong. He's also ashamed of fighting for something he doesn't believe in. I don't think soldiers should feel ashamed. They go ou and fight for our country everyday. The people who they kill were going to attempt to kill them anyways.
Shame fits into O'Briens war experience because he was the cause of a death and he knows he could have prevented it. He killed a man with a grenade that was walking in the dark. I think soldiers should not be ashamed if they kill someone because that's what they are meant to do. Only if they killed their own war member, then the person should be ashamed. If a soldier feels in shame or sad when he kills a person, he should not be in the war and fighting of their country. Ajay Badhan
A lot of shame is portrayed in o'briens war experience because it shows a lot of soldiers' emotions of how they are scared and want to be with their families. Soldiers shouldn't feel ashamed because it is their jobs but if they do it is perfectly fine because personally I would feel ashamed if I had to kill people and they might be innocent. Tim shows the shame from people like Kiowa, Azar, and John.
Primary post Shame is definitely involved in the war experience for Tim O'Brien. I believe that he went to war because of shame. He did not want to shame himself and feel guilty. I do not think that soldiers should be ashamed about anything. They fight for their country, and they should feel proud.
Primary post: Shame fits into O'Brien's portrayal of the war experience in a couple of different ways. O'Brien is shamed because he feels like he is killing innocent people. He is also ashamed because he is fitting in a war that he doesnt belive in. Although I do not think soldiers should feel ashamed I understand why they would. Many soldiers probably feel ashamed for killing other people but I do not think they should because it is their job to kill to keep others safe. That to me is not shameful. -Shannon hanafin
Primary post- O'brien feels shame for killing the men the he feels didn't do anything wrong, especially with the man he killed with the grenade. He was going to warn him so he wouldn't die because he felt that he wouldn't have killed him if he was just sitting there minding his own business. I don't think soldiers should feel shame for killing people in war, that's what they went over there to do, why should they feel shame for doing their job.
Shame is definitely a big par of the war experience for Tim O'Brien. He feels that he is the reason some of his soldiers were killed. He is ashamed that he was not able to spare their lives. I do not think soldiers should feel ashamed under normal conditions, because they are out there risking their lives to protect our country. They are extremely brave and important to our country.
Primary Post: Shame really defines O'Brien's war experience. He really felt shame when he killed a man. He didn't even want to go to war. He probably feels shame for wanting to escape from going to war. I don't think soldiers should be ashamed. They are fighting for our country and helping us against potential enemies. They are also fighting for something they believe in. Even if they were drafted they shouldn't be ashamed because they didn't choose to be in the war. They had no choice
Primary Tim o'Brien feels ashamed for a few different reasons. He killed a man that in his eyes was not a soldier, or worthy of dying. Another reason he is ashamed is because he is fighting and killing for something he doesn't believe in. I feel as if a soldier should never be ashamed of killing at war. If the person he or she killed had the chance they would kill them without a doubt. Thats what they are there to do and they should not be ashamed for doing their job.
O'Brien feels that if he does not support the purpose of the war he should not have to be there. He feels ashamed when he has to kill a man when he feels there is no reason for killing a man that has done nothing wrong to him. Soldiers should not feel ashamed by doing what they are doing. They are known as heroes by people back home. Although I probably would not feel like a hero for killing people that I don't even know, it would still be the right thing to do.
Primary Tim O'brien portrayal of war is shameful. It's shameful because he doesn't want to go and fight for his country. He is kind of right for not wanting to go to war for something he doesnt believe in. Soldiers should not be ashamed of going to war. They should feel proud for serving there country.
Primary post: Tim O'brien seems to be shameful of his war experiance because some innocent people died. Tim never wanted to go to war so killing someone for something you don't support seemed wrong to him. The man Tim O'brien threw a grenade at could be reason why he has felt ashamed.I believe that no solider should be Ashamed of what they do. Defending our country should never be something your ashamed of, they are doing an honorable thing for our country. Ashley romano
Tyler, I don't think his portrayal of was is shameful because of the fact that he doesn't want to go. It should be a choice to go to war or not, because he doesn't believe in it. He is only ashamed because of what he did in the war itself. Secondary post, Stuart
O'brian feels shameful about being in the war but there is really nothing he could do. I agree with most of the people on here too. Tim should feel shameful because he is killing innocent people while at Vietnsm and that's never an easy thing to do. I think some soldiers do feel shame when they are at war because killing isn't an easy action to follow through. I mean, they should know one of the main reasons of war is to kill and I think feeling no shame, not even a little isnt right. Dan Barrera primary post
Primary Many people feel ashamed for going to war, or for what they did in war. They feel ashamed for killing others, especially if they are young and had a lot ahead of them. Some also feel ashamed for joining something that they were against. I understand why they might feel thins wast, because it must be very hard for people to kill another person. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed, because they are fighting for their country and the pele in it.
I agree with what everyone said, how the reason o' brien went to war was shame. Also I agree with how some people said going to war should be a choice and you should want to do it. And I agree with Adam when he said a soldier should not be ashamed for doing their job.
By now it's clear that O'Brien felt shame for killing a man in the war. And it's been said many times, there was nothing he could have done. In going to war, this needs to be done. He could be killed just as easily. Because whether you believe in the cause or not, you are still fighting for your country and doing what needs to be done. There is no other option but to fight, and so soldiers should take it with pride and not be ashamed.
Secondary post I agree with shannon h because she says that soldiers should not be ashamednfor killing people. She also says that she see why o'brien was upset because he was fitting in a war he didn't believe in. She also said it is their job to kill and keep themselves and other safe which is the right thing to do.
O'Brien feels shame because he thinks that the guy who was killed didn't deserve to die. I'm sure a lot of soldiers feel shameful at times. I don't think that any soldiers should feel shame. The other guy has weapons too, it's not like they're the only ones. That's what a war is.. People get killed.
Secondary I agree with Sarah. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed for joining the war, or for what they did in the war. They were only doing it to protect their country, and if none of them fought, they would have been killed instead.
I don't agree with what Dan said, I don't think he should feel shameful for killing the people when that's what his job is, he went there to kill people to protect his country and he shouldn't feel shameful for that. I don't think they should feel shame because they are doing what they're told to do, but if they were just doing it for kicks then I would say they should feel shame.
I agree with everyone here. O'brian probably didn't know what was going to happen in war and when he got there, he didn't expect what was happening. I think all soldiers feel shame but there is really nothing you could do about it except for staying strong. Secondary post Dan Barrera
Stuart what if a soldier went to Vietnam and was forced to kill a villager? What if, in the crossfire villagers died because of him? Sean Hindle secondary post
I agree with ajay because shame should not be a trait fitted in war so you should not be ashamed if you killed someone. That is your job and that is what your sworn to do so in this case it's fine. To conclude my statement soldiers do not need to feel ashamed or sad of killingnan enemy that is trying to kill you.
Shame fits into obriens writing because of all the death and gruesome acts that he witnessed. I don't think soldiers should feel ashamed about what they did because as you read in some of his stories that they were fighting war that they had no other choice but ti fight. They sholdnt forget what happened and what they have been through. The should become a proud person and build from all the gruesome and horrific things they have seen. They should not be ashamed!!!
Secondary I agree with brine, obrien didn't want to go to war. The only reason he went was to keep himself from feeling like he let the country down. But I also think that obrien would have went anyways, because Elroy sort of guilt tripped him into it.
SECONDARY: I agree that O'Brien feels a lot of shame for killing the man with the grenade. He also feels shame for the death of Tim Lavander. He believed that if his mind was in the right place and not on the girl, Ted would still be alive. I don't believe that soldiers should feel shame now though. Back then you were drafted so you did not have much of a choice, but now you sign yourself up for the military. If you sign yourself up to join the military now, you should feel no shame for killing somebody because you chose this job and it requires killing. Mike Lockney
I agree with starfish he is absolutely right. Like he says that they were fighting a war that they coundnt avoid I was seen as shame but the can only build from that
Secondary: I agree with Sarah. I agree in her reasons for O'Brien feeling shame. I also agree with the fact that she said that the soldiers shouldn't feel shame. Shannon hanafin
Stat his, secondary, responding to mike: I completely agree. If you signup for the war, there is no excuse for feeling ashamed. You signed up for the killing and the pain that comes along with it. For those who are drafted, I can understand them feeling shameful, but again, there is no choice. The government is forcing you to do this.
Secondary post I agree with mike. When you sign up for a war, you're signing up to fight. Killing someone who is trying to kill you is just another part of the job.
Primary: shame fits into o'brien's war experience because he feels he is responsible for killing someone who may have been innocent. Also, he did not support the war in the first place. I typically don't think soldiers should feel ashamed because they are there to protect their country. Their enemies are looking to kill them anyways so they are just taking a stand for their country.
Secondary Bill rabbani I agree with the point you made about soldiers not being guilty. However I don't understand why you would feel ashamed to kill. The people would kill you if they had the shot, don't be a whimp.
Primary Post Shame is a major part in O'Brien's war experience. He feels shame that he killed a man. He didn't know whether or not the man was an enemy or not. He also feels ashamed to be in a war he protested against and didn't believe in. Soldiers should not feel ashamed because when in war, staying alive is your first priority. If you don't kill them, they'll kill you.
Primary post The reason O'Brien feels shame is because he feels guilty of killing people. Even though killing is a major part of war i know that if i were a soldier i would still feel guilty for killing another person. I understand why O'brien feels shame but he was just doing his job as a soldier fighting for his country. If O'Brien had not killed the people he did first, then there is a good chance that they would have ended up killing him.
Shame is a major part of O'brien's war experience. He feels ashamed that he killed a man. And he didn't even know if the man was a enemy or not. He also feels ashamed fir fighting in a war that he does not believe in. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed. They are being very brave fighting for there country and it is their job to kill people.
Secondary response: I agree with bilal's post because I think he's right about Tim being scared which causes him to feel shameful. He also talked about how killing people is apart of war so no solider should be ashamed which I agree with. Silicate are only trying to help us and be brave so no solider should feel shame for what they do.
I agree with Brianna. I think the soldiers should know that they are known as heroes and that they are fighting for their country. Although i do understand why they would feel guilty killing people during war because i would too.
I disagree with Dan. He shouldn't feel shameful at all. It's the war, people get killed. O'Brien could've gotten killed instead. I'm sure he'd want the other guy get killed, rather than himself.
Primary post: Shame fits into O'briens portrayal of his war experience in many different ways. One way is he feels like he should not be responsible for taking the lives of innocent lives. But, he is also contradicting himself because when he signed up for this, he knew what was and coming and that war was not going to be easy. Also, he is fighting for his country so he should not feel ashamed of what he is accomplishing in the war.
Primary post: Shame does fit in to obriens portrayal of war. But I do not think soldiers that were drafted should feel ashamed. They have no choice and they had to go there. But soldiers who chose to go to war should feel ashamed because they chose to go there and they chose to kil people. But those who have no choice and got drafted should not feel ashamed. Danny
Secondary I disagree with Tyler. I think that if they got drafted they should feel ashamed because they are killingmpeople against there will. You should only have to fight in war if you want to. Danny
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ReplyDeleteShame is a large part of O'briens war experience. Use is ashamed of killing men who he feels didn't do anything wrong. He's also ashamed of fighting for something he doesn't believe in. I don't think soldiers should feel ashamed. They go ou and fight for our country everyday. The people who they kill were going to attempt to kill them anyways.
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Shame fits into O'Briens war experience because he was the cause of a death and he knows he could have prevented it. He killed a man with a grenade that was walking in the dark. I think soldiers should not be ashamed if they kill someone because that's what they are meant to do. Only if they killed their own war member, then the person should be ashamed. If a soldier feels in shame or sad when he kills a person, he should not be in the war and fighting of their country.
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A lot of shame is portrayed in o'briens war experience because it shows a lot of soldiers' emotions of how they are scared and want to be with their families. Soldiers shouldn't feel ashamed because it is their jobs but if they do it is perfectly fine because personally I would feel ashamed if I had to kill people and they might be innocent. Tim shows the shame from people like Kiowa, Azar, and John.
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ReplyDeleteShame is definitely involved in the war experience for Tim O'Brien. I believe that he went to war because of shame. He did not want to shame himself and feel guilty. I do not think that soldiers should be ashamed about anything. They fight for their country, and they should feel proud.
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ReplyDeleteShame fits into O'Brien's portrayal of the war experience in a couple of different ways. O'Brien is shamed because he feels like he is killing innocent people. He is also ashamed because he is fitting in a war that he doesnt belive in. Although I do not think soldiers should feel ashamed I understand why they would. Many soldiers probably feel ashamed for killing other people but I do not think they should because it is their job to kill to keep others safe. That to me is not shameful.
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Primary post- O'brien feels shame for killing the men the he feels didn't do anything wrong, especially with the man he killed with the grenade. He was going to warn him so he wouldn't die because he felt that he wouldn't have killed him if he was just sitting there minding his own business. I don't think soldiers should feel shame for killing people in war, that's what they went over there to do, why should they feel shame for doing their job.
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Shame is definitely a big par of the war experience for Tim O'Brien. He feels that he is the reason some of his soldiers were killed. He is ashamed that he was not able to spare their lives. I do not think soldiers should feel ashamed under normal conditions, because they are out there risking their lives to protect our country. They are extremely brave and important to our country.
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ReplyDeleteShame really defines O'Brien's war experience. He really felt shame when he killed a man. He didn't even want to go to war. He probably feels shame for wanting to escape from going to war. I don't think soldiers should be ashamed. They are fighting for our country and helping us against potential enemies. They are also fighting for something they believe in. Even if they were drafted they shouldn't be ashamed because they didn't choose to be in the war. They had no choice
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ReplyDeleteTim o'Brien feels ashamed for a few different reasons. He killed a man that in his eyes was not a soldier, or worthy of dying. Another reason he is ashamed is because he is fighting and killing for something he doesn't believe in. I feel as if a soldier should never be ashamed of killing at war. If the person he or she killed had the chance they would kill them without a doubt. Thats what they are there to do and they should not be ashamed for doing their job.
O'Brien feels that if he does not support the purpose of the war he should not have to be there. He feels ashamed when he has to kill a man when he feels there is no reason for killing a man that has done nothing wrong to him. Soldiers should not feel ashamed by doing what they are doing. They are known as heroes by people back home. Although I probably would not feel like a hero for killing people that I don't even know, it would still be the right thing to do.
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ReplyDeleteTim O'brien portrayal of war is shameful. It's shameful because he doesn't want to go and fight for his country. He is kind of right for not wanting to go to war for something he doesnt believe in. Soldiers should not be ashamed of going to war. They should feel proud for serving there country.
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ReplyDeleteTim O'brien seems to be shameful of his war experiance because some innocent people died. Tim never wanted to go to war so killing someone for something you don't support seemed wrong to him. The man Tim O'brien threw a grenade at could be reason why he has felt ashamed.I believe that no solider should be Ashamed of what they do. Defending our country should never be something your ashamed of, they are doing an honorable thing for our country.
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Tyler, I don't think his portrayal of was is shameful because of the fact that he doesn't want to go. It should be a choice to go to war or not, because he doesn't believe in it. He is only ashamed because of what he did in the war itself.
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O'brian feels shameful about being in the war but there is really nothing he could do. I agree with most of the people on here too. Tim should feel shameful because he is killing innocent people while at Vietnsm and that's never an easy thing to do. I think some soldiers do feel shame when they are at war because killing isn't an easy action to follow through. I mean, they should know one of the main reasons of war is to kill and I think feeling no shame, not even a little isnt right. Dan Barrera primary post
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ReplyDeleteMany people feel ashamed for going to war, or for what they did in war. They feel ashamed for killing others, especially if they are young and had a lot ahead of them. Some also feel ashamed for joining something that they were against. I understand why they might feel thins wast, because it must be very hard for people to kill another person. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed, because they are fighting for their country and the pele in it.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with what everyone said, how the reason o' brien went to war was shame. Also I agree with how some people said going to war should be a choice and you should want to do it. And I agree with Adam when he said a soldier should not be ashamed for doing their job.
By now it's clear that O'Brien felt shame for killing a man in the war. And it's been said many times, there was nothing he could have done. In going to war, this needs to be done. He could be killed just as easily. Because whether you believe in the cause or not, you are still fighting for your country and doing what needs to be done. There is no other option but to fight, and so soldiers should take it with pride and not be ashamed.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with shannon h because she says that soldiers should not be ashamednfor killing people. She also says that she see why o'brien was upset because he was fitting in a war he didn't believe in. She also said it is their job to kill and keep themselves and other safe which is the right thing to do.
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ReplyDeleteO'Brien feels shame because he thinks that the guy who was killed didn't deserve to die. I'm sure a lot of soldiers feel shameful at times. I don't think that any soldiers should feel shame. The other guy has weapons too, it's not like they're the only ones. That's what a war is.. People get killed.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Sarah. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed for joining the war, or for what they did in the war. They were only doing it to protect their country, and if none of them fought, they would have been killed instead.
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ReplyDeleteI don't agree with what Dan said, I don't think he should feel shameful for killing the people when that's what his job is, he went there to kill people to protect his country and he shouldn't feel shameful for that. I don't think they should feel shame because they are doing what they're told to do, but if they were just doing it for kicks then I would say they should feel shame.
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I agree with everyone here. O'brian probably didn't know what was going to happen in war and when he got there, he didn't expect what was happening. I think all soldiers feel shame but there is really nothing you could do about it except for staying strong. Secondary post Dan Barrera
ReplyDeleteStuart what if a soldier went to Vietnam and was forced to kill a villager? What if, in the crossfire villagers died because of him?
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I agree with ajay because shame should not be a trait fitted in war so you should not be ashamed if you killed someone. That is your job and that is what your sworn to do so in this case it's fine. To conclude my statement soldiers do not need to feel ashamed or sad of killingnan enemy that is trying to kill you.
ReplyDeleteShame fits into obriens writing because of all the death and gruesome acts that he witnessed. I don't think soldiers should feel ashamed about what they did because as you read in some of his stories that they were fighting war that they had no other choice but ti fight. They sholdnt forget what happened and what they have been through. The should become a proud person and build from all the gruesome and horrific things they have seen. They should not be ashamed!!!
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ReplyDeleteI agree with brine, obrien didn't want to go to war. The only reason he went was to keep himself from feeling like he let the country down. But I also think that obrien would have went anyways, because Elroy sort of guilt tripped him into it.
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ReplyDeleteI agree that O'Brien feels a lot of shame for killing the man with the grenade. He also feels shame for the death of Tim Lavander. He believed that if his mind was in the right place and not on the girl, Ted would still be alive. I don't believe that soldiers should feel shame now though. Back then you were drafted so you did not have much of a choice, but now you sign yourself up for the military. If you sign yourself up to join the military now, you should feel no shame for killing somebody because you chose this job and it requires killing.
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I agree with starfish he is absolutely right. Like he says that they were fighting a war that they coundnt avoid I was seen as shame but the can only build from that
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Sarah. I agree in her reasons for O'Brien feeling shame. I also agree with the fact that she said that the soldiers shouldn't feel shame.
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ReplyDeleteI completely agree. If you signup for the war, there is no excuse for feeling ashamed. You signed up for the killing and the pain that comes along with it. For those who are drafted, I can understand them feeling shameful, but again, there is no choice. The government is forcing you to do this.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with mike. When you sign up for a war, you're signing up to fight. Killing someone who is trying to kill you is just another part of the job.
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Primary: shame fits into o'brien's war experience because he feels he is responsible for killing someone who may have been innocent. Also, he did not support the war in the first place. I typically don't think soldiers should feel ashamed because they are there to protect their country. Their enemies are looking to kill them anyways so they are just taking a stand for their country.
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ReplyDeleteBill rabbani I agree with the point you made about soldiers not being guilty. However I don't understand why you would feel ashamed to kill. The people would kill you if they had the shot, don't be a whimp.
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ReplyDeleteShame is a major part in O'Brien's war experience. He feels shame that he killed a man. He didn't know whether or not the man was an enemy or not. He also feels ashamed to be in a war he protested against and didn't believe in. Soldiers should not feel ashamed because when in war, staying alive is your first priority. If you don't kill them, they'll kill you.
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ReplyDeleteThe reason O'Brien feels shame is because he feels guilty of killing people. Even though killing is a major part of war i know that if i were a soldier i would still feel guilty for killing another person. I understand why O'brien feels shame but he was just doing his job as a soldier fighting for his country. If O'Brien had not killed the people he did first, then there is a good chance that they would have ended up killing him.
Shame is a major part of O'brien's war experience. He feels ashamed that he killed a man. And he didn't even know if the man was a enemy or not. He also feels ashamed fir fighting in a war that he does not believe in. I don't think that soldiers should be ashamed. They are being very brave fighting for there country and it is their job to kill people.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with bilal's post because I think he's right about Tim being scared which causes him to feel shameful. He also talked about how killing people is apart of war so no solider should be ashamed which I agree with. Silicate are only trying to help us and be brave so no solider should feel shame for what they do.
I agree with Brianna. I think the soldiers should know that they are known as heroes and that they are fighting for their country. Although i do understand why they would feel guilty killing people during war because i would too.
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ReplyDeleteI disagree with Dan. He shouldn't feel shameful at all. It's the war, people get killed. O'Brien could've gotten killed instead. I'm sure he'd want the other guy get killed, rather than himself.
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Shame fits into O'briens portrayal of his war experience in many different ways. One way is he feels like he should not be responsible for taking the lives of innocent lives. But, he is also contradicting himself because when he signed up for this, he knew what was and coming and that war was not going to be easy. Also, he is fighting for his country so he should not feel ashamed of what he is accomplishing in the war.
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ReplyDeleteShame does fit in to obriens portrayal of war. But I do not think soldiers that were drafted should feel ashamed. They have no choice and they had to go there. But soldiers who chose to go to war should feel ashamed because they chose to go there and they chose to kil people. But those who have no choice and got drafted should not feel ashamed.
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ReplyDeleteI disagree with Tyler. I think that if they got drafted they should feel ashamed because they are killingmpeople against there will. You should only have to fight in war if you want to.
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